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Sep. 9th, 2008 10:29 pm
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Dude, there must be shorter way of saying that title. Maybe I shall refer to is as T:SCC from now on. What do you think?

Anyway, SQUEE!!! Fuck, that was an awesome premiere. I love my Terminator fanfic show! LOL!

Seriously, I was on the edge of my seat and even though the rational part of my brain said they weren't going to kill Cameron I kind of thought they would.

I was VERY impressed with John in this episode. He's gone from whiney teenager to potential resistance leader. I actually believe he could do it now!

And hee! The lead singer from Garbage is now a T1000 liquid terminator. Awesome!!! I just read that she sang the song that played over the opening montage. I liked it a lot *downloads*

So, am I the only one thinking it was John who killed that guy at the beginning. It has to be him, right? He was freeing his hands and then the other guy was dead

And I can't wait to see what they do with Henricksen (I forget the character's actual name but he reminds me of Henricksen from SPN)

GLEE!

Date: 2008-09-09 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notsowise-sage.livejournal.com
Oooh *downloads*

Date: 2008-09-10 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notsowise-sage.livejournal.com
That was teh awesome :D

First off, I'm a massive fan of Garbage, and Shirly Manson (definitely her singing at the beginning), so I love that she's in this. A Scottish Terminator - that's cool on so many levels.

Actually, her character is very revealing. So far, we know that SkyNet is this all encompassing AI - but it's Terminators are given automaton status (i.e. instead of a robot (which is entirely programmed), we get an android (which I take to be a machine that is given a target and parameters, but free reign to achieve that - implying some level of imagination and decision making), however the parameters of their automaton status are generally limited. The previous assassins sent back have been rudimentary. The T-X had greater imagination - but still the parameters were limited, (I still assume T-3 happened, but John chose to change the past, not just preserve the present (which is what 1,2, and 3 are about - though changes have been significant - such as John Connor's father changing, the nature and strength of the resistance, etc...), because of how things went in T-3). They couldn't really exist as individuals in society.

Now we've got this new T-1000, clearly it has created itself a place in society, it's running a business. She's sociopathic, even before she kills the head of AI, but she still functions as a human being, all be it a very weird, and warped one. To achieve this, the level of automaton status is going to be greater than any other Terminator sent back (which is significant because the more freedom you give a clone of yourself effectively, the higher the chances are that it supersedes you, in the way you supersede your original controllers - SkyNet risks creating it's own non-human competition in other words).

Actually, I'm already forgetting series 1, aren't I? There was the Terminator that had mimicked a real life, with a wife. However, when John was watching the Terminators memories, you've got to say the woman was just a dumbass, worthy of being on Prison Break for not working out that he had no social norms. She kind of reminded me of a character from a book I once read (which I'll dig out tomorrow as the author's name, and book name escape me - and it's bugging me), she's an undercover agent, she meets this guy who's job is studying insects, she barely knows anything about him, it's a whirlwind engagement - he's actually an agent for the guy she's hunting. She's a complete dumbass, anyone else would go. Anyway, she reminded me of that character.

Back to point, it makes her (Shirley Mansons character) far more dangerous - Terminators typically play the short game. They identify targets, they hunt targets, they kill targets - mission accomplished. This new one, feasibly, has the ability to plan long term, to manipulate far more subtly, and can think more randomly. She's shown signs of a higher intellect than any Terminator sent back, in her observations of humans in the street, (though I did kind of feel that was a throw in from the first Matrix film). She's also shown signs of emotion, more cold hearted than anything.

Also, it took great lengths to kill the first T-1000, an occurrence that would be hard for John and Sarah to replicate. They don't have a nice convenient chip to pull out, you can't crush them, shoot them, or generally beat them to a pulp. The T-X is by and large a better killing machine - her nano technology based weapons, and ability to control other machines, were more effective - but she had a metal chassis, and a power core that was vulnerable.

In essence, I really don't see a way to defeat her, short of them getting hold of a tank of liquid nitrogen, spraying her with it - then find a vat of high temperature molten metal with which to dilute her, and breakdown the molecular bonds that act as her digital brain. I suspect, even if they stop her building SkyNet, she will escape at the end of the series.

Date: 2008-09-10 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notsowise-sage.livejournal.com
Now, about the rest.

Summer Glau really pulled off the Terminator when she was in the kill John Connor mode. I think it shows something about how far her non-kill John Connor mode has progressed that makes her different from other Terminators. She's clearly eomtional,and has complex queries about the nature of man, the world, and we saw her interest in religion (even in kill John Connor mode). She's prepared to give up her life when her programming is removed. I think that's what future John did, he removed all actual parameters completely, instead he developed her personality more to act as her own evolving parameters, she can do anything, and everything she needs to accomplish the mission. She doesn't think long term like the current T-1000, because she's not been programmed to, and situations haven't arisen for her to explore that potential - the adventures have been very much episodic.

I also have a sneaky suspicion, and I may have mentioned this before, that future John tried to put something of Sarah into her personality.

The danger is, that eventually she will come to the ultimate conclusion of how this all has to play out. SkyNet has to come online, and the resistance has to fight. Time travel has to happen - but once time travel has occured to a required degree, SkyNet can be stopped, and destroyed. If they stop SkyNet from ever occuring, the potential is that the paradox they exist in, will snap - and everything will restore to it's original time line. Reese won't father John, John will be go on to lead the resistance, but it won't be as an effective resistance. SkyNet will still struggle to smash it, and send back a Terminator to kill Sarah Connor, John's last ditch attempt to save the future will involve sending Reese back to stop the Terminator - Reese becomes the father, history plays out again and John is aware he's sending Reese back to be the father - and so on, and so forth.

SkyNet has to be stopped in the future, not the past - otherwise the paradox will always snap back. And of course thinking on a more scientific line, the amount of energy involved in the constantly altering history, and the overall paradox - the breaking of the paradox could destroy the universe.

John was fantastic in this episode, we really did see the leader he could become. He took the mantle, and everyone pretty much had no choice but to bow down before him. He is the leader, and the reason he's the leader, he knows who to trust, how to trust them, how to get them onside, how to use them. Everyone else has no choice to be give in to him - that's how he uses Terminators in the future, otherwise the resistance would resist him. Not to mention, he has to realise neither Derek or Sarah can actually oppose him. They can't risk him giving up, or leaving them - the future depends on him. He has all the power. Unfortunately, I think he'll go back to giving the power to his mom, who though he disagrees with the way she does things (he already has a developing style of tactics, and methods for achieving his ends), he looks up to her as a hero. Derek too. It's important though, that when he feels there is a decision of importance, where they're wrong, he can stand up to them, and say no - we'll do it my way. They're ministers to his regency, ultimately he can take the power of veto. He wasn't just the leader he could be, he's the man he could be.

I know why Ellison's alive - he's going to sacrifice himself trying to stop SkyNet... it will be a significant moment that SkyNet knows has to happen - so his life is inviolate. Kind of sad really - but it fits the character, and the kind of roles Richard Jones takes.

Right - I've been writing for over an hour now... I'm sure you'll be bored by now - and there'll be another episode next week to try and make sense of all these thoughts in my head.

Date: 2008-09-10 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notsowise-sage.livejournal.com
Oh yeah - and I agree John killed the guy. That again is part of the choice he had to make, him becoming the adult. There was always that danger that in being brought up to save mankind, he would be set against killing humans - unfortunately a resistance leader has to kill his own to survive. There'll always be those that try and get in with the new power, in the hope of surviving, by betraying the leader, or those round the leader to said power. There's those that want to challenge for leadership - in a world where death is all around, and the only way of life is combat - you have to put people down for good or risk the future of a movement.

So yeah - that was one of the surest signs that John is becoming the man he has to be.

Date: 2008-09-10 07:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
WHEE! I have missed your long multi-page comments. They're always so interesting to read. You always see so much in these shows that I just let wash over me

So thanks! This was really interesting

Same time next week? LOL!

Date: 2008-09-10 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Enjoy!

Date: 2008-09-09 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agdhani.livejournal.com
yep, I think John killed him too :D
and I am SO glad they didn't kill Cameron. She SO rocks...I just love Summer to pieces!

Date: 2008-09-10 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Hee! Yeah, Cameron is awesome!

Date: 2008-09-09 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheerful-earl.livejournal.com
Hee! I loved it as well. And I agree, John killed him. Poor kid.

Date: 2008-09-10 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hils.livejournal.com
Yeah :(

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